Comments on: Could Apple Solidify GSM in the US? http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/ Turning Data into Knowledge Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:12:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Welcome to TNL.net http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-24086 Welcome to TNL.net Sun, 04 Feb 2007 06:29:29 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-24086 <!--%kramer-pre%-->be available exclusively through Cingular. If true, it would mean that Apple has decided to take a position on what phone stack it is willing to support and has come out on the side of GSM. Understanding the mobile landscape In a lot of ways, [...] 18 Comments - in Convergence, Apple <!--%kramer-post%--> be available exclusively through Cingular. If true, it would mean that Apple has decided to take a position on what phone stack it is willing to support and has come out on the side of GSM. Understanding the mobile landscape In a lot of ways, […] 18 Comments — in Convergence, Apple

]]> By: hallac.com » breaking the stranglehold http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-130 hallac.com » breaking the stranglehold Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:20:00 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-130 [...] Tristan Louis has a great article on the possibility of Apple setting the standard for mobile technology with the upcoming iPhone. As usual I agree with much of what he says. My only dismay is that Apple will not try to do more. [...] […] Tristan Louis has a great article on the possibility of Apple setting the standard for mobile technology with the upcoming iPhone. As usual I agree with much of what he says. My only dismay is that Apple will not try to do more. […]

]]> By: E http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-129 E Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:43:56 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-129 Regarding WCDMA and Qualcomm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCDMA * The term CDMA in the mobile world typically refers to the CDMA family of standards developed by Qualcomm. They are protocols, sets of defined specifications of mobile communications * CDMA (the multiplexing technique) is used as the principle of the W-CDMA air interface protocol, as well as Qualcomm's CDMA protocols * W-CDMA strictly refers to a mobile phone protocol with detailed specifications, as defined in IMT-2000 * The W-CDMA protocol was developed independently of the CDMA protocol developed by Qualcomm. * The CDMA family of standards (including cdmaOne and CDMA2000) are not compatible with the W-CDMA family of standards that are based on ITU standards. Regarding WCDMA and Qualcomm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCDMA

* The term CDMA in the mobile world typically refers to the CDMA family of standards developed by Qualcomm. They are protocols, sets of defined specifications of mobile communications
* CDMA (the multiplexing technique) is used as the principle of the W-CDMA air interface protocol, as well as Qualcomm’s CDMA protocols
* W-CDMA strictly refers to a mobile phone protocol with detailed specifications, as defined in IMT-2000
* The W-CDMA protocol was developed independently of the CDMA protocol developed by Qualcomm.
* The CDMA family of standards (including cdmaOne and CDMA2000) are not compatible with the W-CDMA family of standards that are based on ITU standards.

]]> By: James Robertson http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-128 James Robertson Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:26:16 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-128 Tristan's claim: "The recent removal of modems from their new laptop lines does, in my view, harbor the death of modems being built into computers by default." The word "harbor" in this context is incorrect (I don't think he meant to imply that Apple's action protected modems). Possibly he meant "augur" Tristan’s claim: “The recent removal of modems from their new laptop lines does, in my view, harbor the death of modems being built into computers by default.”

The word “harbor” in this context is incorrect (I don’t think he meant to imply that Apple’s action protected modems). Possibly he meant “augur”

]]> By: Scott F http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-127 Scott F Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:23:26 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-127 For the average user, what the abbreviations are doesn't matter. What matters is that I, with a 3G GSM phone from the UK can use my phone in almost any country in the world with zero reconfiguration required. If a 3G GSM network is unavailable, it will drop down to one of the normal GSM standards automatically. My answerphone messages and Text Messages follow me everywhere and usually I can access data services in some form around the world too. With the non-GSM American phones you may be able to use your phones overseas in a few countries (my old home NZ being one of them) but a lot are converting to GSM anyway. With GSM, Apple get to make one phone - and concentrate on the features rather than all the different protocols. They'll probably be able to license a lot of excisting technology too. GSM phones compared to the opposition are like Macs to PCs ;) For the average user, what the abbreviations are doesn’t matter. What matters is that I, with a 3G GSM phone from the UK can use my phone in almost any country in the world with zero reconfiguration required.

If a 3G GSM network is unavailable, it will drop down to one of the normal GSM standards automatically.

My answerphone messages and Text Messages follow me everywhere and usually I can access data services in some form around the world too.

With the non-GSM American phones you may be able to use your phones overseas in a few countries (my old home NZ being one of them) but a lot are converting to GSM anyway.

With GSM, Apple get to make one phone — and concentrate on the features rather than all the different protocols. They’ll probably be able to license a lot of excisting technology too.

GSM phones compared to the opposition are like Macs to PCs ;)

]]> By: Ecurb http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126 Ecurb Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:28:49 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-126 Data on GSM doesn't fly. "3GSM" is CDMA. Evolved 3GSM is HSDPA/HSUPA which is CDMA. Basic stuff. Data on GSM doesn’t fly.
“3GSM” is CDMA.
Evolved 3GSM is HSDPA/HSUPA which is CDMA.

Basic stuff.

]]> By: JeffreyHF http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-125 JeffreyHF Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:56:12 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-125 So the premise is that Apple will use only GSM/GPRS/EDGE, and not the far faster 3G technologies based on the CDMA air interface, WCDMA (UMTS), HSDPA, and later HSUPA and LTE? Is it also assumed, that lackong GSM IPR of its own, Apple will be immune from paying GSM royalties, which to non-IPR holders are said to cumulatively exceed 20%? I think both assumptions are daft. 3GSM is CDMA, despite that latest marketing moniker. So the premise is that Apple will use only GSM/GPRS/EDGE, and not the far faster 3G technologies based on the CDMA air interface, WCDMA (UMTS), HSDPA, and later HSUPA and LTE? Is it also assumed, that lackong GSM IPR of its own, Apple will be immune from paying GSM royalties, which to non-IPR holders are said to cumulatively exceed 20%? I think both assumptions are daft. 3GSM is CDMA, despite that latest marketing moniker.

]]> By: louisgray.com: live: Silicon Valley Blog http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-24090 louisgray.com: live: Silicon Valley Blog Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:18:11 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-24090 <!--%kramer-pre%-->taking the leap - and every once in a while, it gets it wrong. But not often enough that Cupertino can be ignored. For instance, with ThinkSecret's news today that Apple's yet to be released iPhone would be native to Cingular at introduction, speculation has risen that Apple will push GSM standards forward in the US, after the technology has had significant foothold overseas. GigaOM speculates, as we have outlined above, that Apple just might be the standard setter after all. Not bad for a company everyone thought was dead just a decade ago. <!--%kramer-post%--> taking the leap — and every once in a while, it gets it wrong. But not often enough that Cupertino can be ignored. For instance, with ThinkSecret’s news today that Apple’s yet to be released iPhone would be native to Cingular at introduction, speculation has risen that Apple will push GSM standards forward in the US, after the technology has had significant foothold overseas. GigaOM speculates, as we have outlined above, that Apple just might be the standard setter after all. Not bad for a company everyone thought was dead just a decade ago.

]]> By: echovar &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apple &#8220;Phone&#8221; http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-123 echovar &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apple &#8220;Phone&#8221; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:04:51 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-123 [...] The buzz about an Apple iPhone has hit the streets. Personally, I’d like a new cell phone, but I don’t like much of what I see. I want a phone, but I’d like much more. I carry an iPod, a Palm and a Cell Phone, that’s two devices too many. The Treo tries to do all three — but isn’t quite right. The issues around CDMA and GSM (Apple + Cingular) are very interesting as well. The problem is one of narrowing the user interaction to the set that hits the utility needs and desires of the largest group of consumers. I’m a terrible example, I like Palm’s PDA because I can SSH in to my Web space — not exactly a feature that the market is crying out for. But some method of mobile blogging or Web site content updating is part of the killer app for a mobile device. [...] […] The buzz about an Apple iPhone has hit the streets. Personally, I&#8217;d like a new cell phone, but I don&#8217;t like much of what I see. I want a phone, but I&#8217;d like much more. I carry an iPod, a Palm and a Cell Phone, that&#8217;s two devices too many. The Treo tries to do all three &#8212; but isn&#8217;t quite right. The issues around CDMA and GSM (Apple + Cingular) are very interesting as well. The problem is one of narrowing the user interaction to the set that hits the utility needs and desires of the largest group of consumers. I&#8217;m a terrible example, I like Palm&#8217;s PDA because I can SSH in to my Web space &#8212; not exactly a feature that the market is crying out for. But some method of mobile blogging or Web site content updating is part of the killer app for a mobile device. […]

]]> By: William S http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-122 William S Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:47:39 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-122 A couple of extra issues to consider: 1) If the Apple phone is sold as 'unlocked' then any GSM user globally (such as here in Canada, with FIDO network) can flip their SIM card in it and become a user. 2) If the Apple phone is Quad band (covering the 4 global frequencies of GSM) then all markets will be covered, including Asia, Europe, etc. BRING IT ON, BABY! A couple of extra issues to consider:

1) If the Apple phone is sold as ‘unlocked’ then any GSM user globally (such as here in Canada, with FIDO network) can flip their SIM card in it and become a user.

2) If the Apple phone is Quad band (covering the 4 global frequencies of GSM) then all markets will be covered, including Asia, Europe, etc.

BRING IT ON, BABY!

]]> By: Howard Lindzon » Apple up 2 more points today, Microsoft is still sucking their kneecaps and the iPhone is still a big possibilty (for 2007)! http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-121 Howard Lindzon » Apple up 2 more points today, Microsoft is still sucking their kneecaps and the iPhone is still a big possibilty (for 2007)! Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:47:14 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-121 [...] According to Think Secret - the iPhone is coming with GSM friendly Cingular as an exclusive partner . Tristan Louis goes deeper with the story here . [...] […] According to Think Secret — the iPhone is coming with GSM friendly Cingular as an exclusive partner . Tristan Louis goes deeper with the story here . […]

]]> By: Martin Hill http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-120 Martin Hill Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:31:20 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-120 "According to Gartner, roughly 700 million phones will be sold this year so it's not improbable that Apple would try to sell 25 million, which would garner it a footnote inducing marketshare of .3 percent" I think you mean 3.6% which is a bit more than a footnote on a global scale. :-) -Mart “According to Gartner, roughly 700 million phones will be sold this year so it’s not improbable that Apple would try to sell 25 million, which would garner it a footnote inducing marketshare of .3 percent”

I think you mean 3.6% which is a bit more than a footnote on a global scale.
:-)

–Mart

]]> By: Tristan Louis http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-119 Tristan Louis Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:12:55 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-119 thanks to all those who corrected my math. I made the correction. 3 percent it is indeed... thanks to all those who corrected my math. I made the correction. 3 percent it is indeed…

]]> By: David McElroy http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-117 David McElroy Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:34:26 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-117 If Apple sold 25 million phones in a market of 700 million phones, that would be 3.6 percent of the market, NOT .3 percent. Someone needs to take another look at the math. 3.6 percent isn't a footnote in such a market, especially for a new player. If Apple sold 25 million phones in a market of 700 million phones, that would be 3.6 percent of the market, NOT .3 percent. Someone needs to take another look at the math. 3.6 percent isn’t a footnote in such a market, especially for a new player.

]]> By: John Thacker http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-116 John Thacker Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:05:57 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-116 Of course, GSM now is not GSM. GSM is WCDMA, which is based on a CDMA air interface. Everybody still has to pay royalties to Qualcomm as a result, though not as high as with the various standards collectively called "CDMA." And it's not backwards compatible to the old, TDMA-based GSM. The word "now" is also misleading, as Verizon has long offered those "Global Phone Service." Also, Japan has totally different phones than everyone else (not on the same bands as regular GSM,WCDMA,CDMA), and their phones don't work with anyone else, and South Korea is absolutely CDMA dominated. I haven't heard anyone claim that Japan and South Korea are "falling behind in the global phone race," nor lacking for features... which are mostly a carrier issue. Of course, GSM now is not GSM. GSM is WCDMA, which is based on a CDMA air interface. Everybody still has to pay royalties to Qualcomm as a result, though not as high as with the various standards collectively called “CDMA.” And it’s not backwards compatible to the old, TDMA-based GSM.

The word “now” is also misleading, as Verizon has long offered those “Global Phone Service.”

Also, Japan has totally different phones than everyone else (not on the same bands as regular GSM,WCDMA,CDMA), and their phones don’t work with anyone else, and South Korea is absolutely CDMA dominated. I haven’t heard anyone claim that Japan and South Korea are “falling behind in the global phone race,” nor lacking for features… which are mostly a carrier issue.

]]> By: DB http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-115 DB Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:49:12 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-115 Big problems with this story -- Verizon and Sprint are interoperable and customers roam on each other's networks in markets where they are not blocked from doing so. And Alltel and US Cellular also use the same CDMA technology. Even with Cingular and T-Mo more of the US is on CDMA than on GSM and more of the country is unserved by GSM than unserved by CDMA. The real issue is that Verizon in particular refuses to support Java on cellphones and disables all kinds of third-party customizability on their phones. An iPhone by nature would need this customizability and Verizon by their nature would cripple it. And of course you have all that GSM elsewhere in the world. Yes, Apple is smart to go GSM to start, but it isn't because GSM is necessarily winning in the US. Big problems with this story — Verizon and Sprint are interoperable and customers roam on each other’s networks in markets where they are not blocked from doing so. And Alltel and US Cellular also use the same CDMA technology. Even with Cingular and T-Mo more of the US is on CDMA than on GSM and more of the country is unserved by GSM than unserved by CDMA.

The real issue is that Verizon in particular refuses to support Java on cellphones and disables all kinds of third-party customizability on their phones. An iPhone by nature would need this customizability and Verizon by their nature would cripple it. And of course you have all that GSM elsewhere in the world. Yes, Apple is smart to go GSM to start, but it isn’t because GSM is necessarily winning in the US.

]]> By: Techmeme http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-24093 Techmeme Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:28:09 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-24093 <!--%kramer-pre%-->Apple iTunes phone on Cingular? Yet another reason I won't buy oneTristan Louis / The TNL.net weblog: Could Apple Solidify GSM in the US?<!--%kramer-post%--> Apple iTunes phone on Cingular? Yet another reason I won’t buy oneTristan Louis / The TNL.net weblog: Could Apple Solidify GSM in the US?

]]> By: R. Boylin http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-114 R. Boylin Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:55:47 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-114 Apple's 25M in sales is likely to include Europe as well. In any event GSM is the best bet for Apple to garner a share of both markets. The expanding functionality of mobile phones has led to customer frustration with the technology. Apple probably sees the opportunity to dramatically impact that segment as well as multi-media content. Video conferencing with iChat might signal another potential in the future. Apple’s 25M in sales is likely to include Europe as well. In any event GSM is the best bet for Apple to garner a share of both markets. The expanding functionality of mobile phones has led to customer frustration with the technology. Apple probably sees the opportunity to dramatically impact that segment as well as multi-media content. Video conferencing with iChat might signal another potential in the future.

]]> By: GigaOM » Is Apple the Standard Setter? http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-113 GigaOM » Is Apple the Standard Setter? Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:55:41 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-113 [...] Tristan Louis, speculating on the impact of the rumored Apple-Cingular link up, thinks that it could provide the big push for GSM-standards in the US. He also has similar conclusions about Apple’s roles in standards that get traction. Louis points out Apple’s decision to drop floppy drives, modems, and other little things that have now become industry practice. And of course the iPod ecosystem approach. [...] […] Tristan Louis, speculating on the impact of the rumored Apple-Cingular link up, thinks that it could provide the big push for GSM-standards in the US. He also has similar conclusions about Apple’s roles in standards that get traction. Louis points out Apple’s decision to drop floppy drives, modems, and other little things that have now become industry practice. And of course the iPod ecosystem approach. […]

]]> By: MyAppleMenu : News about Apple, Mac, iPod, and iPhone http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-24088 MyAppleMenu : News about Apple, Mac, iPod, and iPhone Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-24088 <!--%kramer-pre%--> Could Apple Solidfy GSM In The US? by TNL.net <!--%kramer-post%--> Could Apple Solidfy GSM In The US? by TNL.net

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