Comments on: Could Apple Solidify GSM in the US? http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/ Turning Data into Knowledge Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:38:03 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: hallac.com » breaking the stranglehold http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-130 hallac.com » breaking the stranglehold Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:20:00 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-130 [...] Tristan Louis has a great article on the possibility of Apple setting the standard for mobile technology with the upcoming iPhone. As usual I agree with much of what he says. My only dismay is that Apple will not try to do more. [...] [...] Tristan Louis has a great article on the possibility of Apple setting the standard for mobile technology with the upcoming iPhone. As usual I agree with much of what he says. My only dismay is that Apple will not try to do more. [...]

]]> By: E http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-129 E Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:43:56 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-129 Regarding WCDMA and Qualcomm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCDMA * The term CDMA in the mobile world typically refers to the CDMA family of standards developed by Qualcomm. They are protocols, sets of defined specifications of mobile communications * CDMA (the multiplexing technique) is used as the principle of the W-CDMA air interface protocol, as well as Qualcomm's CDMA protocols * W-CDMA strictly refers to a mobile phone protocol with detailed specifications, as defined in IMT-2000 * The W-CDMA protocol was developed independently of the CDMA protocol developed by Qualcomm. * The CDMA family of standards (including cdmaOne and CDMA2000) are not compatible with the W-CDMA family of standards that are based on ITU standards. Regarding WCDMA and Qualcomm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCDMA

* The term CDMA in the mobile world typically refers to the CDMA family of standards developed by Qualcomm. They are protocols, sets of defined specifications of mobile communications
* CDMA (the multiplexing technique) is used as the principle of the W-CDMA air interface protocol, as well as Qualcomm’s CDMA protocols
* W-CDMA strictly refers to a mobile phone protocol with detailed specifications, as defined in IMT-2000
* The W-CDMA protocol was developed independently of the CDMA protocol developed by Qualcomm.
* The CDMA family of standards (including cdmaOne and CDMA2000) are not compatible with the W-CDMA family of standards that are based on ITU standards.

]]> By: James Robertson http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-128 James Robertson Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:26:16 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-128 Tristan's claim: "The recent removal of modems from their new laptop lines does, in my view, harbor the death of modems being built into computers by default." The word "harbor" in this context is incorrect (I don't think he meant to imply that Apple's action protected modems). Possibly he meant "augur" Tristan’s claim: “The recent removal of modems from their new laptop lines does, in my view, harbor the death of modems being built into computers by default.”

The word “harbor” in this context is incorrect (I don’t think he meant to imply that Apple’s action protected modems). Possibly he meant “augur”

]]> By: Scott F http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-127 Scott F Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:23:26 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-127 For the average user, what the abbreviations are doesn't matter. What matters is that I, with a 3G GSM phone from the UK can use my phone in almost any country in the world with zero reconfiguration required. If a 3G GSM network is unavailable, it will drop down to one of the normal GSM standards automatically. My answerphone messages and Text Messages follow me everywhere and usually I can access data services in some form around the world too. With the non-GSM American phones you may be able to use your phones overseas in a few countries (my old home NZ being one of them) but a lot are converting to GSM anyway. With GSM, Apple get to make one phone - and concentrate on the features rather than all the different protocols. They'll probably be able to license a lot of excisting technology too. GSM phones compared to the opposition are like Macs to PCs ;) For the average user, what the abbreviations are doesn’t matter. What matters is that I, with a 3G GSM phone from the UK can use my phone in almost any country in the world with zero reconfiguration required.

If a 3G GSM network is unavailable, it will drop down to one of the normal GSM standards automatically.

My answerphone messages and Text Messages follow me everywhere and usually I can access data services in some form around the world too.

With the non-GSM American phones you may be able to use your phones overseas in a few countries (my old home NZ being one of them) but a lot are converting to GSM anyway.

With GSM, Apple get to make one phone – and concentrate on the features rather than all the different protocols. They’ll probably be able to license a lot of excisting technology too.

GSM phones compared to the opposition are like Macs to PCs ;)

]]> By: Ecurb http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126 Ecurb Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:28:49 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-126 Data on GSM doesn't fly. "3GSM" is CDMA. Evolved 3GSM is HSDPA/HSUPA which is CDMA. Basic stuff. Data on GSM doesn’t fly.
“3GSM” is CDMA.
Evolved 3GSM is HSDPA/HSUPA which is CDMA.

Basic stuff.

]]> By: JeffreyHF http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-125 JeffreyHF Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:56:12 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-125 So the premise is that Apple will use only GSM/GPRS/EDGE, and not the far faster 3G technologies based on the CDMA air interface, WCDMA (UMTS), HSDPA, and later HSUPA and LTE? Is it also assumed, that lackong GSM IPR of its own, Apple will be immune from paying GSM royalties, which to non-IPR holders are said to cumulatively exceed 20%? I think both assumptions are daft. 3GSM is CDMA, despite that latest marketing moniker. So the premise is that Apple will use only GSM/GPRS/EDGE, and not the far faster 3G technologies based on the CDMA air interface, WCDMA (UMTS), HSDPA, and later HSUPA and LTE? Is it also assumed, that lackong GSM IPR of its own, Apple will be immune from paying GSM royalties, which to non-IPR holders are said to cumulatively exceed 20%? I think both assumptions are daft. 3GSM is CDMA, despite that latest marketing moniker.

]]> By: 簡訊iPhone again and again: iPhone開賣只有Cingular版本 at MacGrass http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-124 簡訊iPhone again and again: iPhone開賣只有Cingular版本 at MacGrass Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:47:21 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-124 [...] 再來沉悶的iPhone新聞。據秘密情報機關Think Secret報道，那台可能在2007年年頭於MWSF推出的iPhone，可能只會推出Cingular版本。Cingular是美國第一大電訊供應商，使用GSM網絡。 雖然在香港及歐洲，GSM（包括GSM 900及1800，即所謂的「雙頻」）已經是標準，早已經擊敗CDMA及TDMA成為2G網的標準。但在美國仍是以CDMA及TDMA為主，GSM為次。蘋果選用GSM供應商Cingular，有評論指可令GSM進一步成為美國2G網絡主流。 [...] [...] 再來沉悶的iPhone新聞。據秘密情報機關Think Secret報道，那台可能在2007年年頭於MWSF推出的iPhone，可能只會推出Cingular版本。Cingular是美國第一大電訊供應商，使用GSM網絡。 雖然在香港及歐洲，GSM（包括GSM 900及1800，即所謂的「雙頻」）已經是標準，早已經擊敗CDMA及TDMA成為2G網的標準。但在美國仍是以CDMA及TDMA為主，GSM為次。蘋果選用GSM供應商Cingular，有評論指可令GSM進一步成為美國2G網絡主流。 [...]

]]> By: echovar » Blog Archive » Apple “Phone” http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-123 echovar » Blog Archive » Apple “Phone” Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:04:51 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-123 [...] The buzz about an Apple iPhone has hit the streets. Personally, I’d like a new cell phone, but I don’t like much of what I see. I want a phone, but I’d like much more. I carry an iPod, a Palm and a Cell Phone, that’s two devices too many. The Treo tries to do all three — but isn’t quite right. The issues around CDMA and GSM (Apple + Cingular) are very interesting as well. The problem is one of narrowing the user interaction to the set that hits the utility needs and desires of the largest group of consumers. I’m a terrible example, I like Palm’s PDA because I can SSH in to my Web space — not exactly a feature that the market is crying out for. But some method of mobile blogging or Web site content updating is part of the killer app for a mobile device. [...] [...] The buzz about an Apple iPhone has hit the streets. Personally, I’d like a new cell phone, but I don’t like much of what I see. I want a phone, but I’d like much more. I carry an iPod, a Palm and a Cell Phone, that’s two devices too many. The Treo tries to do all three — but isn’t quite right. The issues around CDMA and GSM (Apple + Cingular) are very interesting as well. The problem is one of narrowing the user interaction to the set that hits the utility needs and desires of the largest group of consumers. I’m a terrible example, I like Palm’s PDA because I can SSH in to my Web space — not exactly a feature that the market is crying out for. But some method of mobile blogging or Web site content updating is part of the killer app for a mobile device. [...]

]]> By: William S http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-122 William S Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:47:39 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-122 A couple of extra issues to consider: 1) If the Apple phone is sold as 'unlocked' then any GSM user globally (such as here in Canada, with FIDO network) can flip their SIM card in it and become a user. 2) If the Apple phone is Quad band (covering the 4 global frequencies of GSM) then all markets will be covered, including Asia, Europe, etc. BRING IT ON, BABY! A couple of extra issues to consider:

1) If the Apple phone is sold as ‘unlocked’ then any GSM user globally (such as here in Canada, with FIDO network) can flip their SIM card in it and become a user.

2) If the Apple phone is Quad band (covering the 4 global frequencies of GSM) then all markets will be covered, including Asia, Europe, etc.

BRING IT ON, BABY!

]]> By: Howard Lindzon » Apple up 2 more points today, Microsoft is still sucking their kneecaps and the iPhone is still a big possibilty (for 2007)! http://www.tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-121 Howard Lindzon » Apple up 2 more points today, Microsoft is still sucking their kneecaps and the iPhone is still a big possibilty (for 2007)! Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:47:14 +0000 http://tnl.net/blog/2006/09/26/could-apple-solidify-gsm-in-the-us/#comment-121 [...] According to Think Secret - the iPhone is coming with GSM friendly Cingular as an exclusive partner . Tristan Louis goes deeper with the story here . [...] [...] According to Think Secret – the iPhone is coming with GSM friendly Cingular as an exclusive partner . Tristan Louis goes deeper with the story here . [...]

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