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Blogger’s Code of Conduct: a Dissection

Due to the recent ker­fun­kle over the Kathy Sierra affair, Tim O’Reilly has now pro­posed a “blogger’s code of con­duct” (cov­ered with no less than a front page arti­cle in today’s New York Times.) In this entry, I will dis­sect the code and high­light why I think such a code is a bad idea.

June 26th of this year will mark the 10th anniver­sary of the ACLU vs. Reno deci­sion in the supreme court, which struck down the com­mu­ni­ca­tion decency act and extended first amend­ment pro­tec­tion to the Internet:

The record demon­strates that the growth of the Inter­net has been and con­tin­ues to be phe­nom­e­nal. As a mat­ter of con­sti­tu­tional tra­di­tion, in the absence of evi­dence to the con­trary, we pre­sume that gov­ern­men­tal reg­u­la­tion of the con­tent of speech is more likely to inter­fere with the free exchange of ideas than to encour­age it. The inter­est in encour­ag­ing free­dom of expres­sion in a demo­c­ra­tic soci­ety out­weighs any the­o­ret­i­cal but unproven ben­e­fit of censorship.

It is based on that legal ground­ing that I believe that codes of con­ducts will gen­er­ally result in low­er­ing the value of inter­net speech. The last sen­tence, in par­tic­u­lar (“he inter­est in encour­ag­ing free­dom of expres­sion in a demo­c­ra­tic soci­ety out­weighs any the­o­ret­i­cal but unproven ben­e­fit of cen­sor­ship”) rep­re­sents what I believe to be the most out­stand­ing state­ment as to why Inter­net speech needs to be pro­tected. That said, let’s now go into a dissection.

We cel­e­brate the blo­gos­phere because it embraces frank and open con­ver­sa­tion. But frank­ness does not have to mean lack of civil­ity. We present this Blog­ger Code of Con­duct in hopes that it helps cre­ate a cul­ture that encour­ages both per­sonal expres­sion and con­struc­tive conversation.

I, too, believe in frank and open con­ver­sa­tion. The estab­lish­ment of rules (or codes) seems to act as a way to “close” con­ver­sa­tion, even if it is in a way that is lim­ited by cer­tain bound­aries and while I agree that frank­ness and lack of civil­ity are not equals, a ques­tion imme­di­ately arises as to who con­sid­ers what proper civil dis­course? Look­ing back at the cre­ation of the United States and the insti­tu­tion of the Fed­er­al­ist papers, civil­ity has gen­er­ally been seen as the enemy of open­ness. The dis­course between the US found­ing fathers was far from civil (even, in the cel­e­brated case of Hamil­ton vs. Burr, end­ing up in a dis­agree­ment on civil­ity end­ing up in a duel that greatly short­ened the life of one of America’s great­est genius.) So, from the open­ing state­ment, we are already faced with an inter­est­ing chal­lenge: how do we “encour­age both per­sonal expres­sion and con­struc­tive con­ver­sa­tion” while at the same time try­ing to clamp down on dis­agree­ment through that dan­ger­ous weapon called civility?

1. We take respon­si­bil­ity for our own words and for the com­ments we allow on our blog.

I gen­er­ally agree with that com­ment but the chal­lenge here is that it leads to imme­di­ate cen­sor­ship. If I dis­agree with a com­ment on my blog, this state­ment basi­cally puts me in a posi­tion to for­bid that com­ment as I do not want to take respon­si­bil­ity for it. So, at this point, I am being forced to decide that com­ments on my site will have to agree with my own view or I have to take respon­si­bil­ity for com­ments that I dis­agree with. How many blog­gers will be tempted to act as cen­sor in those cases?

We are com­mit­ted to the “Civil­ity Enforced” stan­dard: we will not post unac­cept­able con­tent, and we’ll delete com­ments that con­tain it.

Dele­tion works as active form of cen­sor­ship and also intro­duces an inter­est­ing legal ques­tion. As edi­tor of the com­ment sec­tion, one would then become liable for every other com­ment that made it through, increas­ing the pos­si­bil­ity of peo­ple being pros­e­cuted because of the com­ments on their sites. With­out cen­sor­ship, they could be seen more along the lines of com­mon car­ri­ers and would find them­selves faced with a greater chance of win­ning such case. By agree­ing to delete, they could face a tough battle.

We define unac­cept­able con­tent as any­thing included or linked to that:
– is being used to abuse, harass, stalk, or threaten others

Once again, let me harp on who gets to define those terms. What con­sti­tute abuse? Is say­ing that “I believe so and so is a dimwit for say­ing…” con­sid­ered a type of abuse?

- is libelous, know­ingly false, ad-hominem, or mis­rep­re­sents another person,

Libelous is a word with a lot of legal weight to it. This opens up a whole set of legal issues around how peo­ple talk online. The appear­ance of false­ness can be enough to trig­ger a law­suit (but not enough to win) and this por­tion seems to also fly in the face of a lot of estab­lished law (Zeran v Amer­i­can Online, for exam­ple). Another ques­tion about this sec­tion is “know­ingly false”: to whom? to the owner of the blog? to the writer of the com­ment? to the per­son the com­ment is made about? to other parties?

- infringes upon a copy­right or trademark

Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, O’Reilly, AOL, etc… are all trade­marks. I have not put a TM after every sin­gle one of those trade­marks in posts I write on TNL.net, which tech­ni­cally makes me in vio­la­tion of this effort, from a trade­mark standpoint.

For the pur­pose of this post, I am quot­ing the sub­stan­tial major­ity of the post by tim O’Reilly, which would tech­ni­cally put me in vio­la­tion of his copy­right. How­ever, Tim has a Cre­ative Com­mons License so he’s grant­ing me some rights. Unfor­tu­nately, the rights granted by the CC license also say that you can’t reuse the con­tent for com­mer­cial pur­pose: I run adsense ads on this site, which could be con­sid­ered a com­mer­cial effort so, as such, I would tech­ni­cally be in vio­la­tion of Tim’s copy­right AND CC license. Under the terms of this, quot­ing sub­stan­tial por­tion of copy­righted con­tent would be a vio­la­tion of the code. This means that blogs now have a choice: write only orig­i­nal con­tent with­out exten­sive quot­ing or don’t run ads. It’s a tough choice for many bloggers.

- vio­lates an oblig­a­tion of confidentiality

Enron, the Pen­ta­gon Papers, and Water­gate are only a few high level cases in the United States that involved a vio­la­tion of con­fi­den­tial­ity. Recent such vio­la­tions could include the rev­e­la­tions about Abu Ghraib prison and Wal­ter Reed. None of these sto­ries could exist with­out such vio­la­tion. Would it be a good thing to purge them?

- vio­lates the pri­vacy of others

This is a higher stan­dard than what is cur­rently given in any other media. Pub­lic per­sona are not given pri­vacy pro­tec­tion in tra­di­tional media. Should it be dif­fer­ent online?

We define and deter­mine what is “unac­cept­able con­tent” on a case-by-case basis, and our def­i­n­i­tions are not lim­ited to this list. If we delete a com­ment or link, we will say so and explain why. [We reserve the right to change these stan­dards at any time with no notice.]

Who is we here? And why a “case by case” basis? This seems very dan­ger­ous to me, espe­cially with the express notion of those stan­dards chang­ing at any time with no notice.

2. We won’t say any­thing online that we wouldn’t say in person.

I gen­er­ally agree with that but what about peo­ple using the anonymity of the Inter­net in order to avoid reprisal. If that stan­dard is held, then it will do a lot to clamp down on infor­ma­tion that could have been use­ful but, because it is about pow­er­ful peo­ple, can’t be dis­closed with­out fear of reprisal.

3. We con­nect pri­vately before we respond publicly.

Does that mean that every per­son that’s talked about it con­tactable? If the pres­i­dent of the United States makes a com­ment, how do I con­nect pri­vately to him before respond­ing pub­licly? Does my send­ing him a let­ter con­sti­tute such pri­vate com­mu­ni­ca­tion or do I need to wait for an acknowl­edg­ment of receipt?

When we encounter con­flicts and mis­rep­re­sen­ta­tion in the blo­gos­phere, we make every effort to talk pri­vately and directly to the person(s) involved–or find an inter­me­di­ary who can do so–before we pub­lish any posts or com­ments about the issue.

Same as above. What if the attempt is not answered? Does that make it OK? Do we need to vet every com­ment before­hand? Should I send this to Tim and wait for his com­ment before I pub­lish it? What if he sits on it: does that quash the story altogether?

4. When we believe some­one is unfairly attack­ing another, we take action.

What type of action? What con­sti­tutes an unfair attack?

When some­one who is pub­lish­ing com­ments or blog post­ings that are offen­sive, we’ll tell them so (pri­vately, if possible–see above) and ask them to pub­licly make amends.

Once again, how do we con­tact them? What if they don’t respond?

If those pub­lished com­ments could be con­strued as a threat, and the per­pe­tra­tor doesn’t with­draw them and apol­o­gize, we will coöper­ate with law enforce­ment to pro­tect the tar­get of the threat.

Isn’t that already cod­i­fied by exist­ing law? Why does a code of con­duct need to cod­ify this? It’s already a given that such thing must hap­pen (lack of coöper­a­tion with law enforce­ment can carry heavy fines and impris­on­ment). Which law enforce­ment author­i­ties should we coöper­ate with: all of them? Only some? For exam­ple, if the Chi­nese gov­ern­ment, Syr­ian gov­ern­ment, Iran­ian gov­ern­ment, South Korean gov­ern­ment or other type of gov­ern­ment where free­dom of expres­sion is not as expres­sively granted as it is in the United States con­tacts us, should we com­ply? I say no, but this code appears to say yes.

5. We do not allow anony­mous comments.

Going back to my exam­ples regard­ing the pen­ta­gon papers, Water­gate, Enron and oth­ers: those would not have existed with­out anony­mous com­ments. How does this code deal with that?

We require com­menters to sup­ply a valid email address before they can post, though we allow com­menters to iden­tify them­selves with an alias, rather than their real name.

What hap­pens if they hide behind a free email ser­vice? Is that OK? If so, what is the value of this statement?

6. We ignore the trolls.

This seems to be in vio­la­tion of the rest of the code as ignor­ing them means giv­ing them a free pass? If we delete their com­ments, we’re not ignor­ing them.

We pre­fer not to respond to nasty com­ments about us or our blog, as long as they don’t veer into abuse or libel. We believe that feed­ing the trolls only encour­ages them–“Never wres­tle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it.” Ignor­ing pub­lic attacks is often the best way to con­tain them.

If that’s the case, why should they be deleted then? This last sec­tion seems to con­tra­dict the rest of the code…

Because of such lapses and because I believe that “the inter­est in encour­ag­ing free­dom of expres­sion in a demo­c­ra­tic soci­ety out­weighs any the­o­ret­i­cal but unproven ben­e­fit of cen­sor­ship,” I have to say that this code is not only a bad idea but one that should stren­u­ously be rejected by mem­bers of the blogosphere.

Originally published on April 9, 2007 in Business, Politics, Technology . You may find related thoughts pieces under the following terms: , , , ,

  • http://www.derekscruggs.com Derek Scruggs

    Taodon,

    I know, let’s a have a code of con­duct for every­thing we do in our lives! Why stop at blog­ging? We should cen­sure speech so we avoid the risk of offend­ing some­one! Why stop at speech?

    Many of us do. For some it’s the Bible, for oth­ers the Koran. For oth­ers it’s about phi­los­o­phy, so they put a link to RedState.org or Daily Kos on their blogroll.

    They do so as a choice. Same deal here. No one makes you do it, and even if you vio­late it it’s not like you’re going to jail or anything.

    Vol­un­tary self reg­u­la­tion. I don’t remem­ber that being in any of Orwell’s books.

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  • http://opengeek.blogspot.com Doug Din­gus

    Re: Sites unread­able today because of [some­thing objectionable].

    So?

    There are other places to go, and always peo­ple will­ing to engage oth­ers in a bet­ter way. If the sites do not self-police, the com­pe­ti­tion will solve the prob­lem. This is sim­ple and effec­tive and has always worked. It will always work.

    IMHO, each of us is respon­si­ble for earn­ing the respect of our peers. Some of us don’t care, and that’s the core of the prob­lem. No code will fix this, thus it’s all largely a waste of time.

    I’ve helped to clean up a site or two. It takes some work, requires some reg­u­lars to lead by exam­ple and con­sis­tantly work to bring out the oth­ers doing the same. From there, some mod­er­a­tion, ban­ning, etc.. can weed out the bad ele­ments, leav­ing a com­mu­nity that has a pretty high chance of success.

    What options a given com­mu­nity has, depends on it’s alpha mem­bers, the mod­er­a­tion sys­tem in use, and the software.

    Want a more solid dis­cus­sion? Make sure your alphas are up for that, elim­i­nate anon com­ments, or (and I said OR) intro­duce some decent mod­er­a­tion. Where mod­er­a­tion is con­cerned, it’s either up to a few reg­u­lars, dis­trib­uted among the users, or bot­tle necked through some fil­ter or user combination.

    I par­tic­i­pate in sites where the dis­cus­sion rules are very open, but a sign up is required to post. This lim­its the spo­radic hit and run type stuff and encour­ages reg­u­lar con­trib­u­tors that are actu­ally inter­ested. The occa­sional hol­i­day fixes most prob­lems. Once in a blue moon a user gets banned.

    One aspect of this site I find inter­est­ing is that a ban is not for ever most times. If you want to keep your han­dle, you take a vaca­tion and work it out with the admin. If this does not fly, or has failed a cou­pla times, you lose that han­dle and must return with another. That calms peo­ple down some­what as it’s always easy to tell who is who.

    Many of these blog sites have non-structured com­ments that just any­one can engage in. This post is an exam­ple of that. Good for cap­tur­ing speech, but bad for com­mu­nity purposes.

    I sub­mit that the active struc­tur­ing of a com­mu­nity and it’s users is the best defense against this kind of thing. If you can get the com­mu­nity norms, and actu­ally get a com­mu­nity run­ning, the par­tic­i­pants will value it far more than they do some grat­i­fi­ca­tion and will then behave.

    Don’t do this and you will have trou­ble, code of ethics or not.

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  • Bob McIn­nis

    Derek,

    Appar­ently, we should have a code of con­duct on every­thing we do in life. Our self­ish­ness, self-centeredness, uncar­ing, big­oted, biased, mean spir­ited, grand­stand­ing behav­iour should be eved­ince that we are inca­pable of self reg­u­la­tion or lim­i­ta­tion. This isn’t a free speech issue, there isn’t a slip­pery slope. If you want the ‘right’ to express your opin­ion then accept the respon­si­bil­ity to iden­tify yourself.

  • http://agentultra.com/ j_king

    I’ve been involved in “online speech” since my days con­nect­ing to BBS’, Usenet, etc. I’ve been talk­ing since a young age as well — com­mu­ni­cat­ing freely with those around me; even encour­aged to speak my mind. As I grew older, I learned to value of my free­doms and have kept them close to me. To this day I still believe that any con­se­quence that anonymity and free-speech may have is worth the sac­ri­fice for its benefits.

    I’m no stranger to death threats or being beaten to an inch of my life. I’ve received some online and many more right to my face. While I was in high school, or out in the world scrap­ing to get by. Every once in a while I’d meet some­one who didn’t like me, my ideas, what I stood for — and wished me harm.

    Not once have I ever asked for assis­tance from the law or some reg­u­lat­ing body. I’ve always felt that the law did it’s job well enough to pro­tect me in the event some­thing should hap­pen and some­one actu­ally does some­thing ille­gal (like attempt­ing to inflict harm upon me). The police are a phone call away in such events. And if the threats ever became con­sis­tent enough to bear warn­ing; it could be inves­ti­gated at my dis­cre­tion with just a sim­ple phone call.

    Our world does not need more reg­u­la­tion. We don’t need more babysit­ters and whin­ers reach­ing out and mak­ing sure we’re mon­i­tored and in-line with the reg­u­lated norms. I don’t want some­one telling me what ideas are accept­able, what speech is accept­able, where and when I’m allowed to talk freely. The moment that hap­pens is the moment we’re no longer free. In such a world, don’t be sur­prised if sud­denly you’re no longer able to chal­lenge the laws gov­ern­ing you. You’ll become a pris­oner of your own fears; and worse — you could lose your humanity.

    Gov­er­nance is not a tool to con­trol the behav­iour of others.

    We con­trol our behaviour.

    We don’t need a code of con­duct to con­trol speech online. If this woman felt harassed and thought this per­son would do some­thing to her; there are already meth­ods at her dis­posal to pro­tect her­self. I’m cer­tainly not giv­ing up my free­doms. I’m not afraid to keep them.

    Ques­tion is, are you?

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  • http://www.buzzmachine.com/ Jeff Jarvis

    Great job on this, Tristan.

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  • Paul

    I think that who­ever runs the site can make the rules. I don’t agree with the propo­si­tion that engag­ing in the polic­ing of one’s site, whether to get delete flam­ing com­ments, to get­ting peo­ple back on track, or what­ever is “cen­sor­ship.” How­ever, if the blog owner wants to cen­sor the site, let him.

    I also think that you have to dis­tin­guish between whistle­blow­ing and telling secrets. FWIW, I think that rais­ing whistle­blow­ers to an ele­vated sta­tus is a mis­take. I also don’t sub­scribe to the view that there should be no secrets, which is an view implicit in teh cri­tiquie above. Some­times peo­ple telling secrets are blow­ing the whis­tle, and some­times they are telling lies to cover their own mis­takes. Some­times peo­ple are telling secrets that they shouldn’t be. Peo­ple who have an oblig­a­tion to main­tain con­fi­dences shouldn’t be pub­lish­ing them on a blog or on the web.

  • http://gailwilliams.wordpress.com Gail Williams

    Nice list of pos­si­ble issues. (I was think­ing along some of the same lines, detail­ing many of those pit­falls of the draft code with slightly dif­fer­ent exam­ples. I’d add sig­ni­ci­cant con­cerns about the binary choice sim­bolized by a sher­riff badge icon and an explo­sion icon. There are not binary styles in host­ing a con­ver­sa­tion or con­tri­bu­tions. One addi­tional thought I had that I would like to add to the mix is posted at
    http://gailwilliams.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/civilty-codes-of-conduct-and-sustaining-community/
    as “what hap­pens if you dis­play a blog badge but some­body feels you didn’t live up to it? Is that false adver­tis­ing?“
    Excel­lent roundup, happy to find your post on smartmobs.

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  • http://www.tnl.net/blog/ Tris­tan Louis

    Ryan: Great point about the mys­te­ri­ous we. It’s some­thing that’s been bug­ging me more and more :)

    Rob: Thanks for the Kudos.

    Bill: In the ini­tial post, the mys­te­ri­ous we was a point of con­tention. I think that your analy­sis of it as equiv­a­lent to the “sup­port EFF” type of cam­paign is on point and part of the rea­son that, while I am a sup­ported of the EFF, I do not have a badge for it on the site. The rea­son being that I sup­port a fair num­ber of the EFF activ­i­ties but also have some dis­agree­ment on some oth­ers. So my sup­port is not 100% (unlike my sup­port for Cre­ative Com­mons). And that’s where it get dif­fi­cult, espe­cially on some­thing as broad as a code of conduct.

    Doug: A well rea­soned argu­ment on label­ing peo­ple as bad.

    Yehuda: I’ll read it and com­ment on your blog.

    Eli: Isn’t that the way every online forum has always run :)

    blo­ge­sota: I am indeed pars­ing with a micro­scope (dis­sec­tion, micro­scope… god, my blog is feel­ing more and more like a lab every day :) ) but what you point to is that you don’t read sites you dis­agree with. How­ever, do you think they should be censored?

    Taodon: isn’t that in itself and extrem­ist atti­tude :)

    TDE: Agreed

    NanuqTV: Kathy Sierra was not cen­sored; she self-censored. A very big dif­fer­ence. And it’s not just women get­ting the rough end of the stick. By recent count, I’ve been outed as gay (I’m straight) and called a child moles­ter (I’m not) in pub­lic forums (fora?) all because of stuff I put online. All this had done is helped me grow a thicker skin.

    Jon: I’ll read and com­ment on your site.

    Derek: I think your anal­ogy about choice is a good one. Self-regulation is OK (look at that lit­tle CC badge in the cor­ner of this site :) ) but my objec­tion to the ini­tial offer­ing was that it was pre­sented a cen­tral­ized reg­u­la­tion, which I dis­agreed with.

    Doug: This site only has the “appear­ance” of unstruc­tured free for all. I still mod­er­ate com­ments on the site, though I do let most of the stuff through (basic rule: spam is a no-go, per­sonal attacks that do not fur­ther the dia­logue (ie: “this guy’s a jerk” and no other com­ment­ing vs. “this guy’s a jerk because …”) don’t make the cut and things that are out­right false­ness (like the 3 Tim O’Reilly with free email addresses that were obvi­ously not really Tim) don’t pass either). That said, I can prob­a­bly count the num­ber of times I’ve cen­sored stuff that wasn’t spam on both hands (the fake O’Reillys moved it past 1 hand :) )

    Bob: Anony­mous com­ments should still be OK though. How­ever, they should be taken with a moun­tain of salt (that’s a lot of grains :) )

    j_king: Well put but haven’t you ever run into sit­u­a­tions where that’s been tested, where your own bound­aries were con­fronted with that real­ity? For me, that’s where the dif­fi­cult test is. Dur­ing the Repub­li­can con­ven­tion in New York, I vol­un­teered for the ACLU and found myself defend­ing the free speech rights or peo­ple I thought were com­plete kooks. It was a weird posi­tion to put myself on the line to pro­tect speech I com­pletely dis­agreed with. Since then, though, I con­sider myself changed in the sense that I see the true value of free speech and am wil­ing to lay on the line for it. The US found­ing fathers were will­ing to die for it and so it is our duty to attempt (as closely as we can) to fol­low that tra­di­tion and pro­tect that right.

    Jeff: Thanks :)

    Paul: I think you’re on the right track here. Basi­cally, house rules :)

    Gail: Will read your post and com­ment on your site :)

  • http://www.tnl.net/blog/ Tris­tan Louis

    tnl.nettnl.nettnl.nettnl.netTim O’Reilly fol­lows up. I’ve posted the fol­low­ing com­ment on his blog (but it looks like it might have been mod­er­ated out):

    Tim,

    First of all, thanks for start­ing the dis­cus­sion here. While I gen­er­ally agree with the idea that more civil­ity would be nice, I am still con­cerned that cer­tain peo­ple might think that hon­est dis­agree­ment is equal to unci­vil­ity. I’d like to quote some of the por­tions from my dis­sec­tion of your orig­i­nal pro­posal, which I believe this posts does not address yet:

    he estab­lish­ment of rules (or codes) seems to act as a way to “close” con­ver­sa­tion, even if it is in a way that is lim­ited by cer­tain bound­aries and while I agree that frank­ness and lack of civil­ity are not equals, a ques­tion imme­di­ately arises as to who con­sid­ers what proper civil dis­course? Look­ing back at the cre­ation of the United States and the insti­tu­tion of the Fed­er­al­ist papers, civil­ity has gen­er­ally been seen as the enemy of open­ness. The dis­course between the US found­ing fathers was far from civil (even, in the cel­e­brated case of Hamil­ton vs. Burr, end­ing up in a dis­agree­ment on civil­ity end­ing up in a duel that greatly short­ened the life of one of America’s great­est genius.) So, from the open­ing state­ment, we are already faced with an inter­est­ing chal­lenge: how do we “encour­age both per­sonal expres­sion and con­struc­tive con­ver­sa­tion” while at the same time try­ing to clamp down on dis­agree­ment through that dan­ger­ous weapon called civility?

    I think, if I hear you well on this that you would deal with this by mak­ing the code more gran­u­lar. Am I cor­rect in my under­stand­ing? If the sys­tem is about express­ing a pol­icy, as you men­tioned, isn’t it about that pol­icy being more restric­tive (or will you have bina­ries on each of the items, allow­ing for opt-in and opt-out on each item?)

    let me harp on who gets to define those terms. What con­sti­tute abuse? Is say­ing that “I believe so and so is a dimwit for say­ing…” con­sid­ered a type of abuse?

    The ques­tion I have here is that it seems like a very tricky ground, one person’s enter­tain­ment is another person’s abuse.
    Let me take an extrem­ist exam­ple here to amplify this point: bat­tles around porn have often found fem­i­nists and reli­gious con­ser­v­a­tive in the same camp oppos­ing nudity in mag­a­zines. They see it as a form of pub­li­ca­tion demean­ing women. How­ever, a sub­stan­tial por­tion of the male pub­lic sees it as attrac­tive and does not con­sider it demean­ing.
    The rea­son I am tak­ing this extreme exam­ple is that the extreme is gen­er­ally where most peo­ple feel uncom­fort­able (wit­ness “Peo­ple vs. Larry Flint”). Com­mu­nity mores are dif­fi­cult to deal with, espe­cially when it comes to the inter­net (and its sub­set the blo­gos­phere) because each com­mu­nity may have dif­fer­ent stan­dard. So, for exam­ple, what is con­sid­ered accept­able (or even civil) forms of speech on a left-wing blog would be con­sid­ered a vio­la­tion of civil­ity on a right-wing blog (and vice-versa). How does your code cover those areas? This is where some of the really dif­fi­cult issues arise.

    3. We con­nect pri­vately before we respond publicly.

    Does that mean that every per­son that’s talked about it con­tactable? If the pres­i­dent of the United States makes a com­ment, how do I con­nect pri­vately to him before respond­ing pub­licly? Does my send­ing him a let­ter con­sti­tute such pri­vate com­mu­ni­ca­tion or do I need to wait for an acknowl­edg­ment of receipt?

    When we encounter con­flicts and mis­rep­re­sen­ta­tion in the blo­gos­phere, we make every effort to talk pri­vately and directly to the person(s) involved—or find an inter­me­di­ary who can do so—before we pub­lish any posts or com­ments about the issue.

    Same as above. What if the attempt is not answered? Does that make it OK? Do we need to vet every com­ment before­hand? Should I send this to Tim and wait for his com­ment before I pub­lish it? What if he sits on it: does that quash the story altogether?

    You are still not answer­ing the ques­tions raised to that effect. What if one doesn’t have the con­tacts. You are priv­i­leged in that you gen­er­ally can reach out to the peo­ple you write about due to your status/role in the indus­try. How­ever, most of vast unwashed are not. How can they con­nect or be con­nected to? And what hap­pens if a per­son does not want to be con­nected to? Can one write about them or not?

    For exam­ple, I did send you a copy of my post over email but still haven’t seen a response. Was I irre­spon­si­ble in post­ing it before you com­mented? If that’s the case, could one eas­ily quash entries/articles they don’t want to see by sim­ply refus­ing to respond?

    4. When we believe some­one is unfairly attack­ing another, we take action.

    What type of action? What con­sti­tutes an unfair attack?

    So I dis­agreed with your post and thought it was an unfair attack on the peo­ple on the Inter­net who believe in a more open frame­work. I took action by post­ing my reply to you about it. How­ever, I broke the pre­vi­ous point of con­nect­ing (in that I didn’t wait for you to get back to me). The other ques­tion is what’s an unfair attack. In that pre­vi­ous sen­tence, I called the attack you made on those peo­ple unfair. Does that make it so? If that’s the case, what if some­one else now says that it wasn’t? How do you arbi­trate about those two points of views?

    We pre­fer not to respond to nasty com­ments about us or our blog, as long as they don’t veer into abuse or libel. We believe that feed­ing the trolls only encour­ages them–”Never wres­tle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it.” Ignor­ing pub­lic attacks is often the best way to con­tain them.

    If that’s the case, why should they be deleted then? This last sec­tion seems to con­tra­dict the rest of the code…

    Is that now part of a more gran­u­lar framework?

    Also, a ques­tion is as to how you do this on a global basis. In a fol­low up com­ment I made on my blog, I asked another com­plex question:

    A fol­lower of Mok­tada al-Sadr posts an entry on his blog on wordpress.com ask­ing to join the protest and force the US troops out of Iraq. A Kuwaiti com­menter dis­agrees with him and says that peo­ple who fol­low the party line from Iran should be executed.

    In this case, you have two pro­mo­tions of ille­gal acts (forc­ing the US forces out of Iraq through vio­lent protest and exe­cu­tion of dis­senters) from two dif­fer­ent par­ties on a US-based blog­ging service.

    One could argue the com­menter is cyber-bullying the author of the post.

    Which body of law applies in that case? Iraqi? Kuwaiti? US? That’s the kind of can of worm such argu­ment opens.

    How do you address such a thing?

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  • http://blog.guykawasaki.com/ Guy Kawasaki

    Tris­tan,

    It seems to me that the peo­ple who most need to abide by such a code are the least likely to agree to it. This is like say­ing that if a coun­try is in the United Nations, it won’t do any­thing bad.

  • billg

    It’s incor­rect to assume that we can avoid respon­si­bil­ity for any­thing pub­lished on our blogs sim­ply because we didn’t write it. It is our choice to host a web­site and it is our choice to accept com­ments. It is our choice to edit or mod­er­ate those com­ments. No one forces us to do those things. We can eas­ily dis­able com­ment­ing altogether.

    Inher­ent in that kind of respon­si­bil­ity — a publisher’s respon­si­bil­ity — is the need to rec­og­nize that the mea­sure of accept­abil­ity is not our indi­vid­ual pref­er­ence, but our under­stand­ing of our audi­ence. Con­tent writ­ten by oth­ers — com­ments — should not be edited or deleted sim­ply because it stakes out a pos­tion con­trary to ours or our readers.

    We should not pub­lish con­tent that might put our­selves or oth­ers, includ­ing the peo­ple who wrote the con­tent, in legal or phys­i­cal jeop­ardy. We should not pub­lish con­tent that appears to have been cre­ated for the pri­mary pur­pose of deliv­er­ing patently offen­sive attacks on other peo­ple. (Admit­tedly, these our judg­ment calls, but mak­ing those is part of what we sign up for when we become publishers.)

    It’s only our choice that allows oth­ers to pub­lish con­tent on our blogs with­out our prior inter­ven­tion. The tech­nol­ogy pro­vides us the oppor­tu­nity to vet com­ments before pub­lish­ing. That we usu­ally choose not to mod­er­ate is analagous to a news­pa­per choos­ing to pub­lish all sub­mit­ted let­ters to edi­tors with­out read­ing them. Would any­one rea­son­ably argue that news­pa­per is not, then, respon­si­bile for the pub­lished con­tent of those letters?

    That said, on a prac­ti­cal note: A lot of com­ment­ing pyrotech­nics are con­fined to long, usu­ally off-topic, threads started by a com­ment that trig­gers the avalanche. I’d like the abil­ity, as the blog owner, to col­lapse that thread into a sin­gle line on the comment’s page. I’d like read­ers to be able to expand it, but only in their browser. That would mimic a capa­bil­ity that seems to avail­able in a lot of forum soft­ware, but it would be a handy tool for blog­gers, as well.

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  • blo­ge­sota

    ::blo­ge­sota: I am indeed pars­ing with a micro­scope (dis­sec­tion, micro­scope… god, my blog is feel­ing more and more like a lab every day :) ) but what you point to is that you don’t read sites you dis­agree with. How­ever, do you think they should be censored?

    I did not say that I avoid sites I dis­agree with. On the contrary!

    I said that I avoid sites where bad man­ners over­whelm con­struc­tive dis­course. Peo­ple really seem to get “into” flam­ing and bitch­ing and games of “gotcha” and I hate that.

    I don’t think any­one should be cen­sored ever. But man­ag­ing your own site is not cen­sor­ship. How could it be?

    Once again, the orig­i­nal pro­posal was a call for vol­un­tary con­trols that sup­port civil­ity. For the same rea­son that we throw rowdy film­go­ers out of the movie the­ater and send bratty kids to the principal’s office, we can stop dis­rup­tion on our sites. If we wish to. That is NOT censorship.

    I’m a big sup­porter of ban­ning and delet­ing mis­be­hav­ing posters. A mis­be­hav­ing poster is NOT nec­es­sar­ily some­one I dis­agree with. It’s some­one with bad man­ners, who posts off topic, who basi­cally behaves like a lit­tle prick.

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