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Silicon Valley vs. New York — a silly comparison

It hap­pens every few years. At some point or another in the tech cycle, some­one asks or claims that New York is not keep­ing up in tech­nol­ogy space, point­ing to the valley’s out­stand­ing growth (here’s the lat­est iter­a­tion, which pro­voked this response). And yet, the com­par­i­son is wrong. Dead wrong.

The Val­ley: Detroit for Technology

The claim cen­ter around the fact that New York is not keep­ing up with tech­nol­ogy because the tech­nol­ogy indus­try in New York is not mov­ing as fast as it is in the sil­i­con val­ley. And so, I’d fully grant that it’s true. In fact, New York is also not keep­ing up with the car indus­try because Detroit seems to be doing a bet­ter job of that and has been since the 1940s. Sure, it has a tower named the Chrysler build­ing but let’s face it, Detroit is pro­duc­ing many more cars than New York. In fact, Detroit’s impact on the car indus­try is much larger than that of New York.

Read­ing the pre­vi­ous para­graph, you might be think­ing that it’s a very silly anal­ogy. And it is there not only for effect but also to point out that any com­par­i­son of New York to the Val­ley is based on a flawed assump­tion. The assump­tion is that such com­par­i­son can have merit. For the last 40 years, Sil­i­con Val­ley has been a sin­gle indus­try area: the tech­nol­ogy indus­try. Most major tech­nol­ogy inno­va­tions have come from the val­ley (with the excep­tion of soft­ware licens­ing, which came from a place a bit north of that: Seattle).

So, as New York is not and will never be the leader in the car indus­try, nor will it ever be a leader in the tech­nol­ogy field. I’m just hop­ing that the val­ley will never suf­fer the same fate as the epi­cen­ter of the car indus­try is feel­ing right now. Being based on a sin­gle indus­try, in the long, is a pretty scary con­cept and the lack of diver­sity can some­times be fatal.

New York: Diverse by choice?

Inter­est­ingly, it is New York’s diver­sity is part of what has made it more resilient than most cities in the United States and the increase of one indus­try over another is what gen­er­ally hurts it. The rise of the finan­cial world as a sub­stan­tial employer in New York has hurt the tax base and low­ered the employ­ment oppor­tu­ni­ties in the city. The bub­ble and sub­se­quent explo­sion of the real estate mar­ket in the late 1980s and early 1990s did the same thing to the city, low­er­ing prop­erty val­ues to the point where real estate was cheap enough for 20somethings like myself and oth­ers to think about start­ing new com­pa­nies, giv­ing rise to what came to be known as Sil­i­con Alley.

Embed­ded in New York’s suc­cess is the aban­don­ment of indus­tries: New York could have been the nation’s cap­i­tal but Madi­son, a quin­tes­sen­tial New Yorker sent the US gov­ern­ment fur­ther south in exchange for con­trol of the econ­omy. New York could have been the cen­ter of the movie indus­try (most of the early movies were made in New York) but that title went to Los Ange­les, where real estate was cheap. New York was, for a few decade, the cen­ter of the adver­tis­ing world but the title ended up get­ting shared with Chicago and London.

The truth is that New York cre­ates indus­tries, takes a por­tion of them, and lets oth­ers become sin­gle indus­try towns:

The result is that each brings some­thing new, includ­ing new ten­sions and con­flicts as one indus­try tries to dom­i­nate the oth­ers or estab­lish a place of promi­nence for the heart of New York­ers. How­ever, in each case, they end up being put back in their place and shown that diver­sity is what makes New York what it is and that rule from a sin­gle indus­try would hurt the very fab­ric of what made it one of the truly global centers.

The excep­tion: Money

But New York under­stands that two things make the world go round: Money and influ­ence. Ever since the polit­i­cal lead­er­ship was taken out of town, New York has defined itself as a city based on com­merce (one could argue that even before the rev­o­lu­tion, New York was always about com­merce, some­thing that becomes evi­dent when you real­ize that the dutch sided with the British when they real­ized that it could hurt their eco­nomic inter­est to not do so and did so again dur­ing the rev­o­lu­tion­ary war when it became clear that war could be prof­itable business).

Due to both geo­graph­i­cal advan­tage and the fore­sight of its admin­is­tra­tors, New York became the first port in the coun­try and, in the process, became the place where trad­ing and finan­cial man­age­ment were done. The coun­try came to New York for money and New York dis­pensed its money to the coun­try. Dur­ing the rob­ber barons era, this lead to New York help­ing con­sol­i­date indus­tries and cre­ate monop­o­lies. When those were dis­man­tled, New York held on to the financ­ing aspects of those indus­tries, even if the other por­tions went away. Through that, it gained control.

So while the val­ley is lead­ing in tech, the finan­cial aspects relat­ing to financ­ing all those tech­nol­ogy efforts are still based in New York. Yes, most of the tech VCs are sit­ting on Sand Hills but the truth is that their funds are gen­er­ally funded out­side the val­ley. Of course, it makes no more sense to argue that the val­ley is behind New York on fund­ing tech­nol­ogy than it does to argue that New York is behind the val­ley on tech inno­va­tion. Each has devel­oped a long his­tory and set of capa­bil­i­ties around one area so such com­par­isons are moot.

The crash and what next?

With the rise of increas­ingly com­plex finan­cial instru­ments in the last few years, it is true that a lot of pro­gram­mers ended up being hired by Wall Street. How­ever, the other thing that is true is that such phe­nom­e­non has been a hall­mark of Wall Street since the 1980s. Yet, a por­tion of the Inter­net indus­try did grow in New York in the 1990s. And to be hon­est, a sim­i­lar phe­nom­e­non hap­pened in the most cur­rent (aka Web 2.0) cycle.

The big dif­fer­ence is in the way Inter­net peo­ple in New York and Sil­i­con Val­ley com­port them­selves. Because New York is so diverse, our local media is not as focused on what hap­pens in the tech scene as the local media is when it comes to the val­ley. And because our tech scene is gen­er­ally qui­eter, it also tends to be more insu­lar than the val­ley scene: peo­ple who inno­vate on finan­cial appli­ca­tions in the Inter­net space may not nec­es­sar­ily rub shoul­ders with peo­ple who inno­vate in the media space relat­ing to the inter­net or peo­ple who inno­vate in the com­mer­cial space on the Internet.

In fact, the clos­est thing to a cen­ter, as far as the Inter­net crowd is con­cerned in New York, is the New York Tech Meetup, which meets once a month, as it has done for many years now. Each month, 5–10 local start-ups get  a chance to show­case their wares. Small com­pa­nies like Etsy, deli­cious, fotolog, kick­apps, or thumb­play (and many oth­ers) have all demoed at an event orga­nized using tech­nol­ogy pro­vided by local com­pany Meetup.

But truth be told, none of them really adver­tises their affil­i­a­tion with New York that much because, to a large extent, that affil­i­a­tion is insignif­i­cant. They do not define them­selves based on WHERE they are but rather based on WHAT they do.

And, almost more impor­tantly, none of those com­pa­nies were cre­ated by peo­ple from the finan­cial indus­try. The techies in the finan­cial world are happy in their sphere and few actu­ally cross path with those in the inter­net space. Dif­fer­ent groups, dif­fer­ent indus­tries, dif­fer­ent people.

So will the col­lapse of many Wall street firms mean the begin­ning of an exo­dus from the finan­cial tech com­mu­nity towards star­tups? I doubt it: there is lit­tle cul­tural fit, and there are still ample oppor­tu­ni­ties on either side. Peo­ple who are nat­u­rally drawn to finance-related type of com­put­ing will find posi­tions in that field, even if its remains more com­pet­i­tive; and peo­ple who are look­ing to launch start ups will con­tinue to do so.

New York will con­tinue to have a tech com­mu­nity that is smaller than Sil­i­con Valley’s and, truth be told, that’s just fine. Because each have advan­tages and dis­ad­van­tages but ulti­mately, each can serve as the host to the next big thing, no mat­ter whether they are based on El Camino Real or on the L line.

Originally published on September 1, 2009 in Business, Technology . You may find related thoughts pieces under the following terms: ,

  • bill wash­burn

    Hi Tris­tan,

    Nice to revisit an old ques­tion. I wouldn’t take issue with what you’re sug­gest­ing. NYC is doubt­less the mother of diversity/diversification in the sense of the enor­mity of the array of oppor­tu­ni­ties in busi­ness and the arts. Where else could even dream of com­par­ing with what you can find there. Note: National Geo­graphic just reported that a street in Queens may have the a more diverse col­lec­tion of human beings (in terms of DNA array) than any other place on the planet.

    What I would offer is a cul­tural obser­va­tion about the sil­i­con val­ley that I believe makes it unique in its own right. For a set of his­tor­i­cally inter­est­ing rea­sons the Bay Area has retained much more of a cul­ture of the wide open fron­tier of a metaphor­i­cal “gold rush” envi­ron­ment, albeit highly evolved, than any other met­ro­pol­i­tan area. As a result, this quin­tes­sen­tially west­ern, fron­tier, boom and bust cul­ture attracts the risk tak­ers, the inge­nious busi­ness cre­ators and pulls on a cer­tain set of entre­pre­neur­ial ener­gies of dream­ers from every­where. The Bay Area of Cal­i­for­nia, despite the laid back, lib­eral rep­u­ta­tion is an intensely hard work­ing and hun­gry, com­pet­i­tive world. And, like the gold rush men­tal­ity of the past, it is a place where the notion of abun­dance is more preva­lent than the scarcity notions of the zero-sum game belief in scarcity that seems to per­me­ate much of the rest of the globe.

    Add to this the pres­ence of Stan­ford and Berke­ley (and the med school UCSF); def­i­nitely among the more fas­ci­nat­ing, mag­netic uni­ver­si­ties in the world — so close together they con­stantly form an ever chang­ing force field of change, oppor­tu­nity, and crit­i­cal mass of raw intel­lec­tual strength.

    The Bay Area will not soon take any­thing much away from New York (which is what? — four or ten times as big as the San Fran­cisco envi­rons?). But the Golden Gate is an unri­valed link to Asia gen­er­ally and China/Japan/Korea par­tic­u­larly. It will be great to see New York and Cal­i­for­nia learn to dance together — so to speak. And L.A.- influ­en­tial as it is — is a sun-drenched desert cul­ture some­how obsessed with slick self image. The Bay Area is never as happy with itself as it is obsessed with chang­ing the world. Maybe it’s got another 25 years of power and influ­ence, maybe not. But I don’t see com­puter techies, Inter­net techies, biol­ogy techies, green techies, or social net­work techies car­ing or try­ing to unset­tle or unseat the one and only cap­i­tal of the planet where the master’s of the uni­verse run every­thing. We all know only New York money and power bro­kers are able to per­form with­out fail… okay, 2008 was slightly wor­ry­ing… but hardly any­one noticed it seems.

    bill

  • http://www.tnl.net/blog/ Tris­tan Louis

    Bill,

    There is no doubt in my mind of the unique­ness of the val­ley and I find that both the val­ley and the tri-state area have dif­fer­ent advan­tages. The point I’m try­ing to make is that tech­nol­ogy inno­va­tion is no longer just a local thing and any dis­cus­sion of alley vs. val­ley is sim­ply ridicu­lous. On a global stage, one could argue that increas­ingly, inno­va­tion comes from loca­tions out­side the val­ley: Skype being but one example.

    Ulti­mately, dis­cus­sion about the supremacy of one loca­tion over another are not as fruit­ful as dis­cus­sion of what’s new. And yet, the old dis­cus­sion always seems to show up again (could it be because late August, early Sep­tem­ber is a slow news time?) so I’m try­ing to put things in con­text :)

    As far as New York’s supremacy in the money busi­ness… Well, I think that too is begin­ning to be chal­lenged. Other finan­cial cen­ters like Lon­don and Honk Kong are start­ing to rise and who knows whether New York will man­age to stay on top. It might remain an impor­tant player in that indus­try (as it is in many other indus­tries) but I sus­pect that the hey­day of the New York finan­cial sec­tor may be behind us…

  • Bryan Thatcher

    Nicely said, I think another point is just sheer size, the Val­ley is rel­a­tively small when com­pared to NYC so it inflates the con­cept even further.

  • Alex

    I think the cost of liv­ing in NYC hurts it for tech start-ups, it is much eas­ier to cre­ate a low-cost “garage” envi­ron­ment for 5 yrs in the val­ley to launch and still live res­on­ably well then it is in NYC.

  • Marco

    NYC wins when access to money is the dri­ving fac­tor in boot­strap­ping or buy­ing up a young indus­try. Once the indus­try can sus­tain itself finan­cially, it only makes sense for it to tran­si­tion to some­place closer to the actual source of wealth. The oil indus­try where the oil is (Texas), steel indus­try where the coal is (West­ern PA & WV), retail where the “aver­age” cus­tomer lives (Arkansas).

    Mean­while it’s still the case that most indus­tries are heav­ily con­nected to NYC money if they are large and prof­itable, i.e. exploitable by Wall Street. Any com­pany that wants to IPO, expand, merge, etc. will go through half a dozen NYC finan­cial and legal institutions.

  • http://www.tnl.net/blog/ Tris­tan Louis

    Alex,

    Actu­ally, liv­ing in Brook­lyn or Queens is prob­a­bly equiv­a­lent cost to liv­ing in Oak­land or some parts of SF so the cost of liv­ing issue does not seem to be much of an impediment.

  • http://www.tnl.net/blog/ Tris­tan Louis

    Marco,

    An inter­est­ing point when it comes to hard indus­try but what does it mean when it comes to more intel­lec­tual prop­erty or ser­vice based indus­try. It could be argued that the source of wealth, in those cases, is prob­a­bly dis­trib­uted around denser, more pop­u­lated areas… places like, well, like NYC :)